[geeks] terror>

[Zimmerman, Jim]

VERY well said...

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Jim Zimmerman K0JLZ RHCE
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-----Original Message-----
From: koyote at koyote.cx [mailto:koyote at koyote.cx]
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:19 AM
To: geeks at sunhelp.org
Subject: [geeks] terror>



I'm sruggling with this. Let's see if I can express it at all clearly:

I don't want more innocent deaths.

I *do* want the terrorists dead. all of them.

Why?

1. they will not stop while they are alive. I think we've had this proven
quite dramatically. If not, then perhaps the next suicide airliner should
hit the Tower of London. Or islamabad.

This may be a good time to bring up Juan Rico's views. If these people
really understood *what* they were doing, suicide would be their only
option. If they are insane enough to feel happy about this, then- well, you
shoot a mad dog, don't you?

Imprisoning them isn't enough. they may escape. they may fuel the fires. And
it's a waste. They aren't going to get "rehabilitated". 

2. I want them dead. I'm very righteuously pissed. By my moral code, this
type of action requires death. 

(don't bore me with misconstrued idiocies. I don't want to hear how the
misuse of humanitarian and security minded funding by the governments of
other people is *my* fault for helping to provide the aid. I don't want to
hear about CIA ops in the 70's. If you want to dredge up past history, I can
show you atrocities the likes of which America simply doesn' thave the age
or stomach to match. Our support to Isreal is overmatched by far by our
support in times of need to saudi arabia, kuwait, afghanistan, etc.
[further, no bullshit about oil wars. we DID stop iraq, regardles of the
political reasons.])


now, this all having been said:

I don't want innocents to die. I know that any serious attempt to stamp out
terrorism will include this, and I don't like it. But, like stopping hitler,
this needs to be done. 

I dont' want smart bombs or carpet bombs, I don't want nukes. I want dead
terrorists.

And no, I don't think it's easy. This isn't something where we can taag all
the terrorists in a week and hunt them down cleanly. But as difficult as it
may be to stamp the fsckers out, it needs to be done.

And- no, I don't think this is unreasonable. I'm talking about a subset of
humanity (if you can apply that word to them) that has something worse than
an asocial disregard for life. I'm talking about people who are far, far
worse. People who glory in making non-combatants, innocents, bystanders,
into tortured, maimed, dead persons.

The only thing unreasonable is letting them continue.

I don't *care* if you think we "caused" this in some way. There is not a
citizen of this country who forced whoever did this to do so. I am not
responsible for the willfull actions fo a sentient being other than myself.
I do not accept that anything- anything! the US has done with aid to the
world is justification for an act like this. You can try to tell me that i
should feel guilty because terrorists want to kill me. It won't work. 

I am not a 6 year old kicking your kneecaps because you won't let me have
ice cream. and I won't accept that as an excuse for the actions of armed
persons killing my fellow humans.

(and no, don't try and say that's what we are doing in retaliating. We
*know* what we are doing, and no one is forcing us. motivating. perhaps, but
never forcing)

-C

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