Handguns Was: RE: [geeks] Was: [rescue] damn you bill, now i'm a lowbrow

[William Barnett-Lewis]

Sticking my neck way out here... ;'p

There's some seriously true material here. It's why I still prefer
either a true blowback (for small calibers) or a Browning derived
weapon. The Hipower is still the finest 9mm in the world followed
closesly by the CZ-75. (IMHO and all that jazz).

Though I will admit to a serious weakness for the SIG in .375 Sig
Magnum, especially since I heard recently (No URL to prove it, damn...)
that that's what the current sky marshalls are packing.

In the end, a PPK or a Hipower are the two best made. Both have thier
weaknesses, but I would argue that thier strengths outwiegh them.

(Oh, I learned shooting a handgun with the 1911 from the US Army. I
still consider it over rated...  Take that Troll as you will... ;)

geeks-request at sunhelp.org wrote:
> I dont care for Glocks either, mostly because I prefer the option to cary
> condition one , and prefer single or single/double action automatics in
> general. I've never like the safe-action trigger system, and I think the
> glock imitators (most notably S&W with the Sigma line) are even worse.
> Theres no feel to the things at all.
> 
> All that being said I have seen a Glock reliability demonstration. They
> submerged the thing in salt water for 60 days, still fired 500 rounds
> flawlessly. Frozen in a block of ice, thawed out with a blowtorch. Same
> thing. Buried in river mud, same thing. Peanut butter, sand, whatever they
> did to it, it would still run through 500 rounds without a jam.
> 
> Then the guy did something interesting. He showed us how to make jsut about
> any Glock jam just about every time. He loosened and shifted his grip just a
> bit then turned the gun about 60 degrees. It stovepiped every single time.
> It literally would not fire without a failure to eject. Click rack bang jam
> click rack bang jam.
> 
> THe reason  he gave was that the polymer frame absorbs much of the recoil
> impulse in line with the barrel. Thatforce is required to properly eject. If
> you dont provide adequate bracing of the gun your wrist acts like a floppy
> spring removing evn more of the recoil impulse and adding an eccentric
> vector as well. It slows the ejecting casing down enough, and changes the
> trajectory enough that it smacks the breechface as the slide rushes forward
> into battery and it stovepipes. Just about every time, just like that.
> 
> On the other issue I dont agree with Glock's tactics but they are consistent
> and they have a reason. A few years ago someone was making a very shitty
> glock-a-like in asia somewhere with a sound-a-like name (I think it was glok
> of clock I forget which). The Glock company didnt do anything about it until
> one of the things found it's way to the US. They of course immediately went
> to court and managed to get the thing squashed, but they were very strongly
> advised that they needed to more rigorously enforce their trademarks or they
> mayt lose the right to do so.
> 
> This was tested later that year when they tried to stop the company that
> makes Air-Soft plastic pellet guns, and Daisy Gamo form both makling Glock
> lookalike guns. They had alreayd been manufacturing them for several years
> and the courts ruleds that Glock couldnt stop them now. So now they jump on
> ANY possible trademark or look-and-feel issue like rabid wolverines.
> 
> Oh and I wear a size 13 ring, and 3 or 4 xl gloves, so single or double
> stack they're all relativley small in my hand. The only handgun I've ever
> had a problem with grip size on was the .50ae desert eagle. I'm convinced
> it's not actually a gun, it's a sex toy for action movie fanatics. I love
> watching someone Like cynthia rothrock (5'3", hundred and nuthin, ring size
> 4) shoot a deagle on screen. The grip they have on the thing if they used
> full power loads they'd break their thumbs and the weapon would go flying
> across the room.
> 
> My only personal firearm at this point is a stainless wilson combat 1911
> with full length guide rod,shock-buff, extended beavertail with memory
> grooves, cut down but lengthened ambi safety, long sekletonized trigger,
> spead sear and spring set, beveled mag well, checkered front strap and
> mainspring housing, pachmayer stocks and millet clickadjusts with tritium
> inserts. I love it. It shoots better than I do. My groups average 1.75" five
> shot from 25 yards, and the best I've shot was a .75" 10 shot group (one
> really big ragged hole basically) with some really great custom handloaded
> stuff.
> 
> Chris Byrne
 
Oh, a side thought, I have fairly small hands. I've yet to find a double
collumn weapon that felt too wide. Obviously YMMV.

William
==
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