[geeks] just for you guys....

[Amy]

On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 s at avoidant.org wrote:
> Amy, if I may, I think you're missing something here. This is not
> intended to be insulting to the actual women on that page. Most of them
> are quite feminine and even pretty, if they hadn't been worked to death
> by years of abuse and prostitution.

i'm not missing anything. and while the page may not have intended to be
insulting to "actual women". it did. the point is, it did.

> The whole idea is to see if you can tell the difference beween the
> women-by-birth and the men who take hormones, wear makeup and TAKE MONEY
> TO TAKE IT UP THE ASS AND RECORD IT ON VIDEO FOR THE WORLD TO SEE.

the idea itself is ridiculous, demeaning, insulting, and more than a
little immature. now maybe some people have fun doing this. maybe some people
also need to get a life. for the record, i don't see the difference
between natural-born women and men who spend untold tens of thousands of
dollars to become women. i figure that if someone's gonna go through that
much utter hell (tip: taking progestins, even if you are a woman to begin
with, is utter hell) and spend that much money and time, then they
probably just want to be accepted as women and not have pithy and callous
remarks made at them due to a web page or what have you.

and quite frankly, i don't see why you're all up in arms about someone
'taking money to take it up the ass' (you've mentioned it loudly twice now
so i guess you're against the general idea). it's not unlike what more than
a few admins do on a daily basis.

> They put themselves in the degrading position. They can do what they
> want with their bodies as far as I'm concerned, but you can  be fairly
> sure the pictures on that page were not taken by sneaking into their
> private bedrooms and placing hidden cameras.

you don't know that.

--a