[geeks] Object Oriented Programming Books.

[Joshua D Boyd]

On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 02:10:19AM -0500, Greg A. Woods wrote:

> Worse is that it looks like BLOX actually spits out tcl which is fed to
> an embedded tcl/tk engine.  Yuck!

Eww!  /me pinches nose.
 
> > And most of all, all languages need to be able to access sockets, pipes,
> > and opengl, in my book.  I don't care to invest real heavily if
> > languages that don't support all of those.  And I have higher hopes of
> > low level access from GST than I do from 
> 
> squeak?  Squeak has all those things and more (OpenGL in 3.1).  It also
> has decent ability to embed any C code (i.e. arbitrary libraries).

On a side note, I can't say that gst is better about this, but it rather
bugs me that squeak doesn't support SMP.  Really?  I thought that OpenGL
was only on windows, although I've been seeing patchs for the croquet
branch bringing GL to linux, but haven't had the time since that branch
went public to try anything like applying the patches.
 
> > I don't get what you mean by gst is a fringe implementation.  Aren't
> > pretty much all smalltalks on the fringe?
> 
> Hey now!  You'd better watch what you say!  Them's near fight'in words!

Don't mean it ain't true.  Other than Python, everything I like seems to
be considered a fringe language.
 
> >  gst seems less fringe like
> > than little smalltalk or pocket smalltalk
> 
> In the smalltalk world only pocket smalltalk is less "fringe" because
> its target environment intrigues many smalltalk people.

Yeah, I thought it was really cool.  I just wish it would work under
WINE.  But that was 1.5-2 years ago, so I should try it again under
WINE, and see if things are still the same.

Needing to do palm pilot development was originally got me to stop
thinking it would be cool to learn smalltalk eventually and to actually
start working on it.  But then the project got abandoned by others.  Oh
well.  At least I got some smalltalk and a free palm IIIxe out of it.
I'm not sure if the project could have been completed in PST, but it
seemed worth trying.
 
> > Well, my kernel recompile is done, so I need to reboot rather than
> > spending longer recompiling.
> 
> You know once you reboot you could keep on compiling stuff.  Unix has
> this wonderful multi-tasking ability....  :-)

It is morning now, and I think I meant to say "replying" rather than
"recompiling", but I'm not sure.  

The adaptec card now boots without errors and recognizes the drive, but
when I try to format the drive, I get endless errors.  Sigh.  The drive
in question still isn't exactly known good.  Tonight (or tomorrow) I
plan to again shutdown my sister's machine and take her known good scsi
drive and see if I can mount and it use files, to determine if this is a
second bad SCSI card (it was taken from a computer that spontaneously
failed, after all), or if the drive I'm attempting to use it bad (I can
only put one SCSI drive at a time in sisters machine, and windows won't
boot nicely without the drive it expects). 

Sigh.  I'm loosing time I really don't have to spare.  This sucks.

-- 
Joshua D. Boyd