[geeks] YAGCT

[Phil Stracchino]

On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 10:12:11AM -0800, Francisco Javier Mesa-Martinez wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Phil Stracchino wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 08:05:18AM -0800, Francisco Javier Mesa-Martinez wrote:
> > > The issues I have with the gun lobby is their outlandish claims that gun
> > > control = gun banning.
> >
> > In the US, that's basically what it *DOES* mean.  Just ask any of the
> > gun control lobby.  Their *stated goal* is to eliminate ALL private
> > possession of firearms in the US, PERIOD.  Hunting, target shooting,
> > collecting, personal paotection, it doesn't matter, take'em all away.
> > Several of the leading figures have even made public slips in which
> > they've admitted they don't care whether it has any effect on crime,
> > they just want all the guns gone.
> 
> Quotes, sources please.


OK, but remember, you asked.


"Until we can ban all of them we might as well ban none."
-- U.S. Sen. Howard Metzenbaum, Senate Hearings, 1993

"No, we are not looking at how to control criminals, we are talking
about banning the AK47 and semi-automatic guns!"
-- Senator Metzenbaum (D-OH), during the Constitution Subcommittee of
2/10/89

"I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns."
-- Howard Metzenbaum, US Senator

"With a 10,000% tax we could tax them [guns] out of existence."
-- Daniel Patrick Moynihan, US Senator

"Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is a symbolic, purely
symbolic move. ... Its only real justification is not to reduce crime
but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in
preparation for their ultimate confiscation."
-- Charles Krauthammer, "Disarm the Citizenry," Washington Post, Apr. 5, 1996

"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for
an outright ban, picking up every one of them... "Mr. and Mrs. America,
turn 'em all in," I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes
weren't here."
--U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), CBS-TV's "60 Minutes," 2/5/95

"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel
safe."
--U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein Associated Press 11/18/93
(Side note:  Senator Feinstein personally "feels safe" by carrying a
concealed Beretta 92FS, with high-capacity magazines that one of her own
bills made illegal.)

"I'm convinced that we have to have federal legislation to build on. Our
ultimate goal -- total control of handguns in the United States -- is
going to take time. My estimate is from seven to ten years. The problem
is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country.
The second problem is to get them all registered. And the final problem
is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition --
except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed
sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors -- totally illegal."
--- Nelson T. `Pete' Shields, Chairman, HCI
"A Reporter At Large: Handguns",
_The New Yorker_, July 26, 1976, 57-58

"Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means
possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even
lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when
those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
--Sara Brady, Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard
Metzenbaum. The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.

"Our cause has been aided by the deaths of all these children in all
these schools, and in other settings."
--Bill Clinton, April 12, 2000 as reported by the Rocky Mountain News.

(I hope this quote disgusts you as much as it disgusts me.  This man
 was our *President*?!?!?!)


This is just a small sampling.


> I assume there may be anti-gun radical people, but trying to refute theri
> positions with radical gun-nut stuff is equally bad.

And what do you say about the soundness of labelling all contrary views
"radical gun-nut stuff"?  Hey, if you can't refute it, smear it ...
sure, that's how American politics work.


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