[geeks] just to stir things up, a few predictions

[Michael Horton]

correct, endorsing an unconstitution activity is not generally illegal.
(stating the opinion that a federal government official [whatever that
means] should be murdered, etc. is illegal, though.)

as a naval officer and as a us senator, john kerry has taken an oath to
uphold the us constitution and, thereby, has choosen to live by a higher
standard than you or i.  (assuming you have not taken a similar oath.
that is, oath-takers should not be flippant, etc. as non-oath-takers can
be.  without the power, a flippant remark is just that; with with power,
a flippant remark is a statement of intent and can be considered a crime
in itself as exampled by laws against threat and the legal use of the
word, "intent".)

it is clear from a reading of the constitution that john kerry has, in
your words, violated the us constitution.  his campaign promise of more
federal medical care is such a violation.

concerning subsidies, where in the constitution do it say that the
federal government is authorized or permitted to give money to farmers?
to banks?  (remember the fdic is a federally funded program.) to
homeowners for flood/foul weather insurance? to students?

by supplying subsidies, the federal government is, in some cases,
competing with business.
  e.g., the underwritting of insurance is competing with insurance
companies.

by subsidizing the usps in areas other than the constitutional monopoly
of first class mail, the federal government is competing with fedex,
ups, dhl, tnt, etc.

(there is a lot of stuff with the military and other government
employees is part of having employee, etc.  when the federal government
employees people, their inaction with their employee is similar/same as
a corporation/company/etc. and does not constitute a breach of the us
constitution.)

the second ammendement says that the federal government cannot restrict
the right of the individuals who make up the people to have firearms.
regardless of one's position on gun ownership, it is unconstitutional to
restrict these rights.  (some states even permit ex-felons/ex-convicts
to own guns once freed from state control and supervision.)

the constitution gores a lot of oxs!

the unions do not like the "free trade" sympathies of the constituion.
the do-gooders do not like the lazy faire attitude toward the citizenry
for it means their lose of control.
the politicos do not like the free speech standards because they stand a
greater chance to lose.
the law enforcement officers (beat cops) like that the "goods guy"
citizens can have guns.
and on and on.

hth
mh

-----Original Message-----
From: geeks-bounces at sunhelp.org [mailto:geeks-bounces at sunhelp.org] On
Behalf Of Matthew Braun
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:43 PM
To: The Geeks List
Subject: Re: [geeks] just to stir things up, a few predictions


> uh, are you ignoring all the things that john kerry is doing/has done
> that violate the us constitution?

Ok, you've accused Kerry of *violating* the Constitution, which would
mean explicitly going against what the document says.
However, as you said, "the constititution does not provide for the
following activities" but that does not mean that endorsing them
violates anything.

The 10th Amendment reads:
	" The powers not delegated to the United States by the
Constitution,
nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States
respectively, or to the people."

So if a president proposes a system from your list, congress votes on
it, and there are no state laws that bar said system, how would there
be a violation?

There are some obvious entries in your list that do sound like
violations (such as the free speech and gun control), but I'm not sure
how subsidies (for example)  violate the constitution.

Allow me to say this: I am *not* arguing against you; rather,I'm trying
to get a better understanding of the root of your claims. Civics class
is far, far behind me, so issues of constitutional law are not
something I'm very comfortable with, hence my questions.


--
"I must create a system, or be enslaved by another man's;
I will not reason and compare: my business is to create."

On Oct 25, 2004, at 12:15 PM, Michael Horton wrote:

> the constititution does not provide for the following activities.
> therefore, they must be done, if at all, at the state or local level
> (assuming that the us constition is worth following).
>
>     welfare, that is, any government subsidy
>        1. social security
>        2. medicare
>        3. medicaid
>        4. ssd (social security payments for the disabled)
>     gun control laws (above what is mentioned in the constitution)
>     restriction of free speech
>        - political speech: only permitting certain entities to make
> political comments
>        - religious speech
>        - commercial speech
>     health care: "hilliary" care as an example of what has been
> proposed
>        absorb 17% of the us economy directly into the us government
but
> would
>        make public every individual's private medical records
>        restrict travel and resettlement to different areas of the
> country
>        (that is, outside one's home district)
>     presidential "declarations" implemented but not rescinded
>     unemployment benefits (commonly called "welfare")
>     funding medical research not directly linked to federal government
> duties
>     commercial subsidies (tabacco, milk, coffee, etc., etc.)
>     competitive attacks on private entities (a la, the usps)
>     specific areas of public safety
>     public eduation (outside of military institutions)
>     a legislative and executive judicial system
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