[geeks] Java as a first language

[kevin marshall]

C seemed like a decent choice for me because i deal with *nix/CLI
stuff more often than not. Plus, as you mentioned, i do compile
lots of OSS stuff and a great deal of it needs tweaking to get it
to compile cleanly. However, i had always heard that C was a bad
language to start with because it would teach bad habits.

Not that it's of any consequence, but doesn't SmallTalk pre-date
C?

/KRM

On Nov 10, 2006 02:42 PM, Jochen Kunz <jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de>
wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:20:34 -0500 (EST)
> kevin marshall <kevin at mpcf.com> wrote:
> 
> > I would mostly like to develop some small utility apps and
> > some web application stuff, for my own, or limited use.
> C. Because it is quite low level (some people call it a
> high-level
> assembler) and thus will expose you to the inner workings of a
> computer.
> This is good as it will teach your fundamental understandig of
> what is
> going on inside your machne. Also: C is in wide use, especially
> in Unix
> land. Knowing C will enable you to fix things your self, e.g.
> when you
> want to compile some broken GNUware.
> 
> If you wane develop larger programms with GUI you may take a
> look at
> Smalltalk. (http://www.squeak.org/) Main reasons for Smalltalk
> are: It
> is purely object oriented. You _will_ gork the object oriented
> paradigm.
> (With a hybrid language like C++ most people tend to programm
> hybrid.
> Not really imperative, not really object oriented.) The
> language is
> lean, clean, orthogonal, simple and easy to learn. Once you got
> used to
> the Smalltalk system, you are able get new things done quite
> fast
> because the environement is so powerfull.
> 
> For web applications most people use some scripting stuff. Skip
> Perl. It
> is a nightmare. Perl code is write once, read never code. PHP
> is common
> but seems to have some security problems. There are also python
> and
> ruby, but I don't know these.
> --
> 
> 
> tsch|_,
>        Jochen
> 
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