[geeks] UnPaypal?

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On Feb 20, 2008 10:27 AM, Phil Stracchino <alaric at metrocast.net> wrote:

> sammy ominsky wrote:
> > On 20/02/2008, at 13:42, Phil Stracchino wrote:
> >
> >>  PayPal did everything they could within their terms of service to
> >> steal $2600 from him.
> >
> > Can you be more specific?  I have been using paypal for years to move A
> > LOT of money (thousands of dollars a month), and have never had any
> > problems.  I want to know.  I need to know.
>
> OK, I'm not privy to all the details, but this is the basic gist of it:
>  Before moving to New Zealand, he sold a lot of his possessions,
> accepting payment via PayPal.  *None of the buyers complained, and no
> dispute was ever filed by anyone.*  But PayPal, all off their own bat,
> decided that almost $2600 of the resulting payments were fraudulent, so
> they impounded the money.  They made him document everything, dot every
> i, cross every t, to prove that every dollar came from real people in
> exchange for real goods that were his legally-owned property to sell.
> They did *nothing* to help this process; he had to drive everything and
> keep on them to get it done and keep it moving, because they told him
> that if it went two weeks without *some* new action towards resolution
> being added to his file, they would make the impound permanent and just
> keep his money.
>
>
> I can put you in contact with him directly if you need more details.
>
>
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i do not use any more details!  you've given too much already (for my
tastes).
and it is apparent that you are not privy to all the details.
and it appears that your friend has not given you all the details.

your friend has had one or more payments disputed.
or, your friend has broken the rules by using a personal account to
sell/buy/tansfer "too much"!
(a one time, personal accounts were limited by a lifetime maximum $$ value.
upgrading is optional.)
or, your friend has triggered a "bad-guy profile" for PayPal.  (PayPal has
announced that they have these "profiles".)
(a one time, personal accounts were limited by a lifetime maximum $$ value.
i upgraded to the next level that had no limit because it met my needs.)

once disputed, PayPal controls the monies.
(this is part of the operating procedures and is meant to protect buyers
from fraud.)

it appears to me (from my experience, reading the rules, reading the gripe
sites) that most PayPal "pain" is self-inflicted.

hopefully, you will be able to visit your friend in his new country.  I hear
it is a great place!


PS. one must understand the business and operating rules to deal effectively
with PayPal.  one must also use "common sense" when dealing with PayPal.