[geeks] more on dune

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On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:57 PM, <rjtoegel at verizon.net> wrote:

>   Sorry, can't hit the delete key without seeing some of your post. :-)
>   That's the way my webmail works.
>   Bob
>


Wow!?!

That's one reason (of many) to use gmail.  You can filter specific threads
and/or specific posters within a thread.  Plus, gmail shows the sender of
the message in the display header.



>    Jun 10, 2010 12:44:32 PM, geeks at sunhelp.org wrote:
>
>     On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:01:33PM -0400, Patrick Finnegan wrote:
>      >Sure, why make people have to live in the deserts of Africa to make
>     them
>     >live in the equivalent of a 3rd world country. Just cut off their
>     food
>     >and water until they do what you want.
>      The following is a rant, but IMHO I was just ranted upon, so I feel
>     that I
>     can rant back. If you disagree with what I say feel free to respond,
>     if
>     you don't want to hear or read it, feel free to delete it.
>     That is one of the most insulting things I have ever heard you say,
>     as it were.
>     First of all, they are NOT our responsibility.
>     Second Gaza is not the deserts of Africa, it is on the coast of the
>     Mediterranean sea. No more a desert than the Rivera is the deserts
>     of Europe.
>     When we were responsible for them we built hospitals, power plants,
>     desalination plants and they had plenty of food.
>     They still have those. Although they have converted one of the
>     hospitals into
>     a military headquarters. We upgraded it a few years before we left
>     on the
>     Israeli model which hardens the emergency and surgical departments.
>     Hamas has taken it over, using the hardened areas as their
>     headquarters
>     and the "soft" ones as human shields.
>     We even had a thriving greenhouse business which instead of taking
>     it with
>     us when we left, The Bill and Melinda Gates foundation bought for
>     them to
>     use. It did not last a day before the new owners destroyed it.
>     If it had been left operating, it would have provided enough fresh
>     lettuce
>     tomatoes, green onions and herbs for all of the salads in Gaza and
>     most
>     of them in Israel.
>     They have plenty of food, plenty of electricity and plenty of water.
>     They even
>     used to have internet cafes and home internet until Hamas started
>     closing them.
>     Take a look at any of the pictures of Gaza city, even the one's of
>     Tony
>     Blair's sister in law when she was there. Except for the HEBREW on
>     the
>     packages she could have been in a Tesco or any other large
>     supermarket.
>     They get it all from us, because although they get plenty of money
>     from you,
>     their elected leaders spend it on arms and swiss bank accounts.
>     Somehow
>     they never seem to be able to pay their bills.
>     If anyone makes them live like a third world country it's YOU
>     because you
>     pour money into their crooked government and ask for NO
>     accountability.
>     Look at their money. They don't use Egyptian money, Jordainan
>     dinars,
>     US dollars, Euors, Hamas or PA printed money, they use Israeli
>     shequels.
>     That's right, they want to drive us into the sea, but the only
>     currency
>     they trust is ours.
>     Egypt also has a border with them. It lets nothing through and
>     shoots anyone
>     that tries to come across. Compared to them our border with Gaza is
>     open.
>     Somali Moslems escape the ethnic cleansing in their country, find
>     their
>     way north and end up in Egypt. From there they try to cross the
>     border into
>     Israel. Why not stay in Egypt or sneak into Gaza?
>     Because the Egyptians and Palestinains shoot them on site. We take
>     them in,
>     give them housing, medical care and jobs. At one point we announced
>     we would
>     stop and did not because if we left them on the Egyptian side of the
>     border,
>     they all (men, women and children) would have been shot where they
>     stood.
>     They also could go to any of the other Moslem countries, but no one
>     wants
>     them.
>     There are many smuggling tunnels between Gaza and Egypt, some big
>     enough to
>     bring cars through. Sometimes we close them, sometime Egypt does.
>     Egypt also
>     pumps poison gas in them.
>     Since Yassar Araft died, his successors have not been honest, but
>     certainly
>     less crooked. Appointing Fayad as Prime Minister was forced
>     accountability
>     on Fatah, which is still a crooked terrorist organization, but at
>     least they
>     spend some of the money on their people and someone is watching them
>     to make sure they do it.
>     >
>      >As time goes on, I realize more and more how inhumane some people
>     who
>     >are driven by religious beliefs can be (and it bears little
>     relation to
>     >which religion they follow).
>      I'll disagree with that. Being Jews (although they are not) we were
>     far more
>     charitable when they were under our governance and still are
>     although they
>     claim they are at war with us.
>     Many Christians are charitable.
>     Many Moslems, for example the Bahai (who were thrown out of Saudi
>     Arabia and
>     thrive in Israel), the Sufi, and all of the non Arab Muslims of east
>     Asia
>     are too.
>     That's Obama's problem, he was attended Indonesian Moslem schools
>     where
>     Islam is very much a religion of peace and love and can't really
>     wrap his
>     head round it the Arab (Wahhabi) notion of it being one of conquest
>     and hate.
>     >
>      >Can this thread die yet? It's about as enjoyable as watching a
>     >religious war over vi vs emacs.
>      Delete key broken?
>     End of rant. We now return you to our regularly scheduled boredom.
>     Geoff.
>     --
>     Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel gsm at mendelson.com
>     N3OWJ/4X1GM
>     I do multitasking. If that bothers you, file a complaint and I will
>     start
>     ignoring it immediately.
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