<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>On 90s and early 2000s era of motherboards some manufacturers implemented a short-lived standard called the “Communications and Network Riser” or CNR.</div><div><br></div><div><div style="display: block;" class=""><div style="-webkit-user-select: all; -webkit-user-drag: element; display: inline-block;" class="apple-rich-link" draggable="true" role="link" data-url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_and_networking_riser"><a style="border-radius:10px;font-family:-apple-system, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;display:block;-webkit-user-select:none;width:300px;user-select:none;-webkit-user-modify:read-only;user-modify:read-only;overflow:hidden;text-decoration:none;" class="lp-rich-link" rel="nofollow" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_and_networking_riser" dir="ltr" role="button" draggable="false" width="300"><table style="table-layout:fixed;border-collapse:collapse;width:300px;background-color:#E9E9EB;font-family:-apple-system, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" class="lp-rich-link-emailBaseTable" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="300"><tbody><tr><td vertical-align="center"><table bgcolor="#E9E9EB" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="300" style="font-family:-apple-system, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;table-layout:fixed;background-color:rgba(233, 233, 235, 1);" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:8px 0px 8px 0px;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStackItem"><div style="max-width:100%;margin:0px 16px 0px 16px;overflow:hidden;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStack"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;font-weight:500;font-size:12px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStack-topCaption-leading"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_and_networking_riser" style="text-decoration: none" draggable="false"><font color="#000000" style="color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);">Communications and networking riser</font></a></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word;font-weight:400;font-size:11px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStack-bottomCaption-leading"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_and_networking_riser" style="text-decoration: none" draggable="false"><font color="#A2A2A9" style="color: rgba(60, 60, 67, 0.6);">en.wikipedia.org</font></a></div></div></td><td style="padding:6px 12px 6px 0px;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-rightIconItem" width="36"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_and_networking_riser" draggable="false"><img style="pointer-events:none !important;display:inline-block;width:36px;height:36px;border-radius:3px;" width="36" height="36" draggable="false" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-rightIcon" alt="Cnr.jpg" src="cid:F143446A-2BD3-466F-8304-02B8A73B5B56"></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div></div><br></div><div>Might be that?</div><div><br></div><div>— </div><div><br></div><div>Mark</div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><blockquote type="cite">On 5 Aug 2024, at 07:40, Mouse via geeks <geeks@sunhelp.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>I have some questions for the assembled wisdom, if anyone might happen</span><br><span>to have answers and be willing to provide them. They're all related to</span><br><span>the same situation, so I'll give a minimal description.</span><br><span></span><br><span>My backup scheme involves swapping out backup disks once a month.</span><br><span>Historically, I've been doing this by turning the relevant machine off.</span><br><span>But that machine appears to have finally failed.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The failed machine was doing two things: it was my main house router</span><br><span>and it was my offsite-backup-disk host. I've found another machine and</span><br><span>loaded it up with enough Ethernets for it to take on the router</span><br><span>functionality. This leads to question 1: that machine has a mystery</span><br><span>slot. I thought it was PCIe at first, but it's about 1cm too close to</span><br><span>the back panel for a PCIe card I have to fit mechanically. Anyone have</span><br><span>any guesses what it might be? (The machine is old enough to have an</span><br><span>ISA slot; I was surprised to see what appeared to be PCIe on the same</span><br><span>board as ISA, but it seems it isn't actually PCIe.)</span><br><span></span><br><span>That machine also has no SATA. (Not too surprising for a machine with</span><br><span>ISA.) But the backup disks I have are all SATA. So this leaves me</span><br><span>wanting a PCI SATA card. I did a little searching but haven't found</span><br><span>anything but PCIe SATA, which as the previous paragraph implies won't</span><br><span>help. But my Web skillz are rather poor.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Another option might be eSATA, but I also have been unable to find PCI</span><br><span>eSATA. I also have found conflicting information about what eSATA</span><br><span>actually is; I thought it was just SATA run outside the case, with a</span><br><span>little electronics to support hot-plug. Some things I've found seem to</span><br><span>agree, but some disagree.</span><br><span></span><br><span>So, anyone know of anyone who makes a PCI SATA card, or a PCI eSATA</span><br><span>card?</span><br><span></span><br><span>Also, can anyone explain what eSATA actually is?</span><br><span></span><br><span>/~\ The ASCII Mouse</span><br><span>\ / Ribbon Campaign</span><br><span> X Against HTML mouse@rodents-montreal.org</span><br><span>/ \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B</span><br><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>GEEKS: http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks_sunhelp.org</span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>