if anyone's interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=268938793 two sparc classis systems, no bidders yet, closes in two hours, $50. i've bought ss classics from this person before. they were sold as barebones but they shipped with a sunpc and a sparcprinter card. -josh --- cut in line, bled to death.