Guys, I came across http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1268259395 and put in a bid and am currently the high bidder (xemacs5). What is this Octane worth in the real world? Cordially -- Patrick Giagnocavo patrick at zill.net Web Hosting: http://www.zill.net/