[rescue] Solaris on a PPC
Dave McGuire
mcguire at neurotica.com
Thu Feb 6 13:27:10 CST 2003
On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 06:11 AM, Frank Van Damme wrote:
>> For proof, compare the sit-down-and-use-it performance of ANY other
>> modern desktop platform (I said "modern", i.e. not Windows) with Gnome
>> or KDE. I'm not even talking about minimalist stuff like X with
>> twm...Try, for example, X with CDE.
>
> I sadly have to agree. Kde is pretty much going the same way as
> windows, it
> takes up almost half the RAM that Xp does *g* . OTOH, I thought CDE
> fell
> under the "old crap" category? Or do I have to jump in a manhole again
> now?
Well, since it's a current product, in current development, I would
have to say it isn't "old crap". Sure, it's been around awhile...but
by that metric, the x86 architecture is 25 years old and UNIX is well
over 30.
> Personally, I use Enlightenment, and on top of that I run gnome or kde
> applications.
I used Enlightenment for a while, when my main desktop machine was an
SGI. It was ok save for a few stability issues, and it was a bit slow.
I was disappointed when they seemed to stop development...have they
picked up again?
> I am not a developer, but afaik c++ compilations take a LOT more
> temporary
> disk space then C.
In terms of swap space, you mean?
C++ is an object-oriented language (well, mostly) and C is a
procedural language...Today's computer processors are procedural
devices by their very design. Mapping the constructs of an
object-oriented language onto procedural hardware is going to involve
some inefficiencies. Though I'd like to, I haven't studied this
extensively from a theoretical standpoint...but it stands to reason
that many of the performance problems that we commonly see in
applications written in C++ may owe themselves to this.
Now, a good friend of mine...a guy named Geoff, one of the most
talented and technically sharp programmers I've ever known...insists
that C++ code can be written to be as fast and efficient as any C code
(and he knows both VERY well)...and he further says that all the C++
stuff that I have performance complaints about is bad because it's
poorly written, plain & simple...not because it was written in C++.
Gnome, on the other hand, is all (or nearly all) C...not C++...or so
I was told.
>> There is no reason...ZERO...for this stuff to be this bloated. It
>> has some great functionality, sure, but nowhere near enough to justify
>> hundreds of megabytes of disk space and a day-long compile.
>
> All that code must go SOMEWHERE though. What does it do then?
Fluff. I haven't looked at it specifically, but I'm guessing most of
it is simply fluff.
-Dave
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