[rescue] Need Build Help
Stephen Conley
cheetah at tanabi.org
Wed Jun 4 14:11:01 CDT 2014
Hi guys;
Thanks very much for all the replies. I'm in contact with someone
who's offered a SPARC machine for cost of shipping, and my partner has
found a hosted AIX solution that will work for us, so between those
two things we're all set.
I appreciate all the help and feedback :)
Stephen
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Laurence Brevard <brevard at 1or0.com> wrote:
> I have a powered off SunFire V100 (UltraSPARC IIe/IIi) that runs Solaris
> 10.
>
> We used to build one of our products on that platform but quit bothering
> a few years back after all our customers ended up with Linux on x86_64.
>
> This is in my home office in San Jose, California, but I have a
> collocation facility up the road in Fremont where I could run it (at no
> extra charge to me).
>
> My electricity from PG&E costs $0.36/kWh in the punitive top "Tier 4"
> where over 2/3 of my consumption is. As a result, it's worth it to NOT
> run systems in the office whenever possible! Even so my PG&E bill is over
> $900/month.
>
> FWIW, a relative in Houston, TX, recently showed me his electric bill at
> $0.026/kWh - less than 10% of what I pay. I could have cried.
>
> At 07:21 AM 6/4/2014, Stephen Conley wrote:
>
> Solaris 10 is actually still used by a number of enterprises, for
> better or worse. Haven't seen anything older than Solaris 10 in
> awhile. Sort of looking for least common denominator.
>
> We'd be willing to pay a reasonable fee for a shell account we'll be
> using a couple times a month maybe :) We have an auto-builder that
> downloads the code and does the build ... I suppose a trojan's
> possible, but it would be a lot of work to be a jerk to a small
> number
> of machines. We'd know exactly who was responsible for it, so sort
> of
> a high risk to low reward ratio IMO.
>
> I've been on the list for a long time, even if I'm not an active
> poster (though I've given out a few freebies, including an AIX
> machine
> that I could never get to work), and it seems like this isn't a
> breeding ground for evil folks so I would take most folks here at
> their word. Call me naive / foolish / dumb if you like :D
>
> Solaris I'm really less worried about -- various posters are right,
> you can get a Solaris machine really cheaply and I'm personally
> qualified to run a Solaris machine. However, they're also common,
> and
> I figured someone here must have one kicking around that they
> wouldn't
> mind.
>
> AIX is more of an issue. The machines are more expensive and nobody
> here really knows anything about it -- I had a massively hard time
> getting a POWER5+ machine to work in the past (to the point where I
> up
> and gave up), so I'd rather use someone else's if it were available.
>
> The problem is also, we're not expecting to make any money off these
> ports. Our software has a free version, and it's someone who wants
> to
> use the free version that wants the ports. Just to be completely
> honest here, if we were going to make money off this, we'd buy the
> machines -- but for a startup, it's kind of a big outlay.
>
> But if there's no takers, there's no takers. Can't hurt to ask,
> right?
>
> Thanks guys,
>
> Steve
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Mouse <mouse at rodents-montreal.org>
> wrote:
> >>> Sorry if this is the wrong forum to ask for this :) But I'm the
> CTO
> >>> of a small company, and we have a need to build some C++ on Sun
> >>> Solaris SPARC and AIX.
> >
> >>> We're targeting Solaris 10 and AIX 6.1 on POWER if possible.
> >
> > Does "Sun Solaris" even _exist_ any longer? (Well, I'm sure the
> blobs
> > of bits still exist somewhere. But I don't know the licensing; it
> may
> > be you'd have to buy right-to-run Oracle Solaris in order to be
> allowed
> > to run it.)
> >
> >>> The expense of purchasing hardware just to build is kind of
> steep,
> >>> so I was wondering if anyone out there might volunteer their
> >>> machine?
> >
> > Well, at least you're being honest. :-/ While you're at it, do you
> > perchance want to volunteer to pay me to do nothing in particular?
> >
> > Personally, I'd suggest emulation. IIRC there are pretty good
> SPARC
> > emulators out there; it would surprise me if there weren't good
> POWER
> > emulators too.
> >
> >>> We'd be willing to pay some fee for continued access as well ...
> >>> it's not so much that we don't want to pay, it's more we don't
> want
> >>> to pay several hundred bucks for a couple machines and then have
> to
> >>> set them up and maintain them just for this.
> >
> > Well, what's building this code worth to the company? With a
> > volunteer's build machine you'll get volunteer-quality sysadmin and
> a
> > volunteer-quality SLA, don't forget. (With the right volunteer,
> the
> > sysadmin can be better than paying someone, but you can't count on
> > that. And even if it _is_ good it generally will be distinctly
> second
> > to the rest of the volunteer's life, including paying work - that's
> > where the SLA comes in.)
> >
> > And to what extent can you trust the result? This would be a
> perfect
> > opportunity to trojan the resulting binaries, after all.
> >
> > No, I'm not volunteering. To get me to run a binary-only OS on my
> own
> > hardware, you'd have to pay me more than it would cost you to run
> it
> > yourself.
> >
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