[rescue] [OT] S: IBM /370 or /390 card

[Mike Katz]

Well, the 6800, 6809, 8008, 8080, etc. we all random logic not 
microcoded.  From the point of view of someone who first started 
programming in 1972 modern has a different meaning than someone younger.

We were talking about this the other day.  What is the definition of old 
fashioned.

To my grand parents the crank telephone and asking the operator to 
connect me to Jean Jone's house.

To me the dial phone and paper tape, 8 Track Tapes, etc.

To my kids the land line phone and/or the CD.

To my grand kids it will probably be the internal combustion engine and 
phones who screens don't fold.

To my great children, who knows...

On 9/12/2023 6:26 PM, Lionel Peterson via rescue wrote:
> What a great definition of "modern" LOL
>
> I kid, it just struck me funny...
>
> Ken
>
>> On Sep 12, 2023, at 18:07, Mike Katz via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
>>
>> The problem is that most modern microprocessors are microcoded, including the 68000, LSI-11, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 9/12/2023 5:41 PM, Joshua Boyd via rescue wrote:
>>>> On 9/12/23 18:08, Lionel Peterson via rescue wrote:
>>>> Emulating a 68000 to emulate a 370?
>>>>
>>>> At some point it starts to resemble the light 'hack' in an early big-bang theory episode:
>>>>
>>>> https://youtu.be/onZ4KMM94yI?si=AZGAKQr5QvL3yZrD
>>>>
>>>> I mean I get it, but...
>>>
>>> If we are going to call the XT/370 an emulator, then isn't a Motorola 68000 chip just also an emulator?  As I understand it, when you get to microcoded chips, there is no actual hardware that runs the actual binary instruction set sent to the processor. With either the regular 68k or the 370 implemented in 68k microcode, the CPU reads an instruction of the either 68k or 370 origin, then looks that up in ROM for how to execute it.
>>>
>>> Now, is a gate level re-implementation of a 68k on an FPGA emulation? If so, then I suppose that means anything on an FPGA is emulation. Is a blackbox external "reimplementation" of a 68k on an FPGA or ASIC emulation? The MiSTer people, to my understanding, state that it isn't but I feel suspicious about that, and would probably err on calling that emulation.  What if it was a blackbox re-implementation but could run original microcode? I probably don't want to even debate that one.
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