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<p>I concur,</p>
<p>I have a Monoprice passive adapter that works fine.</p>
<p>The two monitors I have tested it on it worked fine, both 1080p
monitors, one a Phillips from ~2011 and another an AOC from ~2014.</p>
<p>And that's both a cg3, cg6 and ffb<br>
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<p>Cheers,<br>
Ethan<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/2/22 00:56, Chase Rayfield wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">In my experience the cheap
ones that just go straight from 13W3 are generally sun
compatible... the ones with a cable on them that don't say Sun
are usually not (they'll often say SGI on them and often are
not compatible I have one that was made this way and it
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definitely as has already been said, the monitor has to be
able to sync to whatever the PC is putting out. I have NEC
Multisync 2100UXP-bk that works at 1600x1200 21in, and I have
a 19in syncmaster that also works. Mostly older VGA/DVI-D only
LCDs are more likely to work than more recent ones as they
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<div dir="ltr">Hi All,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">and I got a few LCD monitors around both in
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<div dir="ltr">No advice on adapter, I think LCD/Sun
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to VGA adapter these days to use with an LCD monitor
these days?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> <br>
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both in 4:3 and 16:9, which is gonna be better for
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<div dir="ltr">I'm not sure what frame buffer I will be
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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 5:25 PM Lionel
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<div dir="ltr">> No advice on adapter, I think LCD/Sun
Workstation 13w3 connections are<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> hit/miss.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">><br>
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<div dir="ltr">> It might help others if they knew CC
what framebuffer you were using in<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> your SS/5 or SS/20 - there were quite
a few options for those systems<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> > On Jul 31, 2022, at 18:05, Thomas
Pelki <<a
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<div dir="ltr">> ><br>
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<div dir="ltr">> > What is the Recommended 13w3
adapter to VGA adapter these days to use<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> with an LCD monitor these days?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> ><br>
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<div dir="ltr">> > and I got a few LCD monitors
around both in 4:3 and 16:9, which is gonna<br>
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SS5/SS20?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>> No advice on adapter, I think
LCD/Sun Workstation 13w3 connections are hit/miss.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>> > Hi All,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>> > <br>
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<div dir="ltr">>> > What is the Recommended 13w3
adapter to VGA adapter these days to use with an LCD
monitor these days?<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">>> > <br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">>> > and I got a few LCD monitors
around both in 4:3 and 16:9, which is gonna be better
for interfacing to an SS5/SS20?<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">>> > <br>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr">>> What is the Recommended 13w3
adapter to VGA adapter these days to use with $<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I don't know. My own experience is that
the adapter makes little<br>
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matter more), but I haven't<br>
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the adapter as a completely<br>
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<div dir="ltr">passive device, so it "shouldn't matter".<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>> and I got a few LCD monitors
around both in 4:3 and 16:9, which is gonna be$<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The one that works. :-/ It's hard to say
much more without trying<br>
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<div dir="ltr">them.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Part of the problem is a change of design
philosophy.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Back in the '80s and much of the '90s, back
in the heyday of CRT<br>
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<div dir="ltr">monitors, the computer generated the video
signal and the monitor was<br>
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<div dir="ltr">expected to handle it, or, if it couldn't,
to at least fail gracefully.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">But then there was a pardigm change. My
impression has always been<br>
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<div dir="ltr">that it happened with the shift to
flatscreens, but I don't know<br>
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<div dir="ltr">whether that's accurate, though it did
happen at roughly the same time.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">In the new paradigm, the _monitor_
specifies what the video signal is<br>
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<div dir="ltr">to look like (via DDC or EDID or whatever
it's properly called) and the<br>
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<div dir="ltr">An old monitor on a new system, then,
leaves the computer wondering<br>
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<div dir="ltr">what it should generate, but if it picks
something there at least is a<br>
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<div dir="ltr">reasonable chance it will work.<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><br>
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<div dir="ltr">But a new monitor on an old system - such
as a flatscreen on a<br>
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<div dir="ltr">SPARCstation from the 32-bit pizza-box era
- is a disaster. Each end<br>
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specify what the video signal<br>
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<div dir="ltr">looks like. I've been frustrated trying to
get the cg14s in my SS20s<br>
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succeeded for two monitors<br>
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<div dir="ltr">: Asus-VH236H 780 438 3c 8d9ee20 5e 0f 5e
0f 5e 0f ;<br>
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<div dir="ltr">: LG-27EA33V 780 438 3c 80befc0 c0 3 130 2e
40 1 ;<br>
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<div dir="ltr">but completely failed with a third. (Those
are the mode-setting words<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I've found worked for me for cg14s with
those two makes-&-models of<br>
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<div dir="ltr">monitors. I don't recall the
make-&-model of the monitor I failed<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is where the video hardware becomes
relevant. Some framebuffers<br>
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<div dir="ltr">from Suns of that era have relatively
limited ability to adapt the<br>
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handful of different dot-clock<br>
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cg14 apparently can't handle X<br>
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<div dir="ltr">resolutions that aren't multiples of 32
pixels, as another example.<br>
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