<html><head></head><body> <div><br></div><div dir="auto">My ECL and grayscale monitors both needed caps and had RIFAs hidden inside:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="http://users.glitchwrks.com/~glitch/2022/12/31/sun-ecl-monitor" dir="auto">http://users.glitchwrks.com/~glitch/2022/12/31/sun-ecl-monitor</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks,</div><div dir="auto">Jonathan <caret></caret></div> <div id="protonmail_mobile_signature_block"><div></div></div> <div><br></div><div><br></div>On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 10:40 PM, Steve Hatle via rescue <<a class="" href="mailto:On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 10:40 PM, Steve Hatle via rescue <<a href=">rescue@sunhelp.org</a>> wrote:<blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote">
You are, of course, correct. What my brain
was thinking and what my fingers typed were two different things...<br>
<br>
Steve<br>
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11, 2023 at 9:36 PM</span></font></div> </div></div>
<div style="color:#909AA4;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;" class="__pbConvBody" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">It appears Sun actually sold an adapter to use the Model 4 keyboard
on the Sun 3, [...]
</pre></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">[...] I've also found the pinouts to make my own; I have some 9-pin
male shells and I'll probably liberate the female DIN-8 connector
from a trashed keyboard to make the adapter.
</pre></blockquote></blockquote><pre wrap="">DE-9s won't be of any use for this; you need a DA-15. I've made my own
adapters often enough, though for using a type-3 keyboard on machines
having a miniDIN-8 for keyboard/mouse, rather than the other way
around. But the cable you need is the same except for the sex of the
DA-15. (I take a miniDIN-8-to-miniDIN-8 cable, such as is typically
used for type-4 keyboards, and cut it in two, then solder on a DA-15
from an electronics parts house like Mouser or DigiKey.)
</pre><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">I will start small with serial connection first.
</pre></blockquote></blockquote><pre wrap="">I would recommend that, definitely.
</pre><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">Will also need to research how to get this guy net-booted
</pre></blockquote></blockquote><pre wrap="">I can help with that; I've netbooted plenty of Suns in my time. I'd
have to run a test to be certain, but I think they RARP for an address,
then TFTP for their bootblocks. Everything after that is up to the
TFTPed program; the NetBSD versions I run come with the relevant
software, so I would assume any NetBSD version that has sun3 support
would do likewise.
</pre><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">and eventually an install on a drive in the shoebox.
</pre></blockquote></blockquote><pre wrap="">That's a relatively easy thing once you have it netbooting (assuming of
course that your drive, enclosure, and cable actually work properly).
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<br> Yup, Sun sold a similar adapter for the use of a Type 2
keyboard/mouse on a Sun 3. People like to keep their nice keyboards
when they upgrade to newer machines. :)
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<br> -Dave
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11, 2023 at 8:47 PM</span></font></div> </div></div>
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It appears Sun actually sold an adapter to
use the Model 4 keyboard on the Sun 3, part numbers are<br>
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<div data-en-clipboard="true" data-pm-slice="1 1 []">530-1478</div>
<div>530-1479<br>
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Same cable, different lengths. I've also found the pinouts to make my
own; I have some 9-pin male shells and I'll probably liberate the female
DIN-8 connector from a trashed keyboard to make the adapter.<br>
<br>
I will start small with serial connection first. Will also need to
research how to get this guy net-booted and eventually an install on a
drive in the shoebox. I'm not holding out hope of getting anything done
with the tape drive or tapes.<br>
<br>
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10, 2023 at 10:59 PM</span></font></div> </div></div>
<div style="color:#909AA4;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;" class="__pbConvBody" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">Lucky me scored a 3/50 at VCFMW this weekend!
</pre></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">Unfortunately, there was no keyboard or mouse with the system. I
quick google didn't turn up any info on options/adapters/etc (though
I've only been home for a while and haven't really dug in yet).
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">Its keyboard is a 1200 baud serial device, just using TTL voltage
levels instead of RS-232 voltage levels, and it's a ridiculously simple
protocol. If you can get keyboard events off something else, and
they're at even moderately similar, it's relatively easy to generate
Sun keyboard protocol.
I've heard it said that there are adapters between USB keyboard and Sun
keyboard, but if you're looking for that you have to be careful _which_
Sun keyboard; you want the Sun-3 or earlier Sun-4 keyboard, the one
with the miniDIN-8 connector[%]. You also have to be careful which
direction the adapter in question is designed to go: Sun keyboard on
USB machine, or the other way around?
[%] The -3/50 uses a DA-15, not a miniDIN-8. But the Sun keyboards
that speak DA-15 and the ones that speak miniDIN-8 are compatible
enough that you can plug either kind of keyboard into the other kind of
machine with nothing but a passive adapter.
</pre><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">Serial is of course an option, and likely how I'll start out once I
get everything cleaned up and inspected.
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap="">It's what I'd suggest for the first few attempts, certainly.
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Hatle</a></div> <div style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:48%;text-align:
right;"> <font color="#909AA4"><span style="padding-left:6px">September
10, 2023 at 9:50 PM</span></font></div> </div></div>
<div style="color:#909AA4;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;" class="__pbConvBody" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">Lucky me
scored a 3/50 at VCFMW this weekend!
<br>
<br>Unfortunately, there was no keyboard or mouse with the system. I
quick
google didn't turn up any info on options/adapters/etc (though I've only
been home for a while and haven't really dug in yet).
<br>
<br>Serial is of course an option, and likely how I'll start out once I
get
everything cleaned up and inspected.
<br>
<br>Hoping the monitor still has it's mojo going, but baby steps...
<br>
<br>Thanks for any info or advice,
<br>
<br>Steve
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