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<div dir="auto">I have Mike and agree it’s probably the next thing to try. I have a store of the various models. I think I want to start with a new, old one! As I recall some chips were “almost compatible” and that might be my issue here. Thx for the comment.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Yeah, I stopped burning the CD’s as I got exactly the same situation with both images on the Zulu and actual CD’s. It something about that “default device instance data” but I can’t really even find any description of what that ACTUALLY even means. All the references I found were related to IDPROM so wiped it and reprogrammed it but with no luck. Im kind of thinking about getting a new chip (or an old one and attaching a battery) and starting from there. Perhaps NetBSD ignores all that and there is something whack about the one I have.<br clear="none" />
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>> Cc: "Todd Vernon" <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:todd@toddvernon.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">todd@toddvernon.com</a>><br clear="none" />
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>> On Apr 5, 2024 at 2:59:02 PM, Johan van Zanten < <a shape="rect" href="mailto:johanvz978@giantfoo.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">johanvz978@giantfoo.org</a> > wrote:<br clear="none" />
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