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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I can't remember which machine, but I did have some strange behavior that seemed to resolve when I added a new battery to the IDPROM chip. If you haven't done one, it is easier than it looks. You have to just determine the correct side, then I use a burr bit on a dremel and solder on a coin cell holder which I then hotglue to the top of the IDPROM chip. I've done a couple in the past few months and it takes me ~5min to add a battery now.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">mike</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 06:45:55 PM CDT, Todd Vernon via rescue <rescue@sunhelp.org> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr">Yeah, I stopped burning the CD’s as I got exactly the same situation with both images on the Zulu and actual CD’s. It something about that “default device instance data” but I can’t really even find any description of what that ACTUALLY even means. All the references I found were related to IDPROM so wiped it and reprogrammed it but with no luck. Im kind of thinking about getting a new chip (or an old one and attaching a battery) and starting from there. Perhaps NetBSD ignores all that and there is something whack about the one I have.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">> On Apr 5, 2024, at 5:38 PM, Michael Dombrowski via rescue <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:rescue@sunhelp.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">rescue@sunhelp.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I can't speak to Todd's exact situation, but I exclusively use ZuluSCSI with a host of retro machines (including ultra 1e) and have had 100% success rate. That doesn't rule out a bad iso or two, but I am doubtful a different burn will solve this problem<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Mike<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> On Apr 5, 2024, at 6:24 PM, Patrick Giagnocavo via rescue <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:rescue@sunhelp.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">rescue@sunhelp.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> As dumb as it sounds, I have actually burned CD's at single or double speed only, not allowing the OS to go faster, and then had the CDR I burned work. <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> If you have enough CDRs you could try that!<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Cordially<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Patrick<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> ----- Original Message -----<br clear="none">>> From: "Todd Vernon via rescue" <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:rescue@sunhelp.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">rescue@sunhelp.org</a>><br clear="none">>> To: "The Rescue List" <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:rescue@sunhelp.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">rescue@sunhelp.org</a>><br clear="none">>> Cc: "Todd Vernon" <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:todd@toddvernon.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">todd@toddvernon.com</a>><br clear="none">>> Sent: Friday, April 5, 2024 4:37:57 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central<br clear="none">>> Subject: Re: [rescue] Ultra 1 boot from install CD fails<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Same result. It sounded like such a promising idea too! Thx for the suggestion. <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> --- <br clear="none">>> Todd Vernon <br clear="none">>> Entrepreneur | Investor <br clear="none">>> Email: <a shape="rect" href="mailto:todd@toddvernon.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">todd@toddvernon.com</a> <br clear="none">>> LinkedIn: toddvernon <br clear="none">>> On Apr 5, 2024 at 3:20 PM -0600, Jonathan Katz via rescue <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:rescue@sunhelp.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">rescue@sunhelp.org</a>>, wrote: <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Wondering if you need a “boot -vr” since it’s not rebuilding the device tree? <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> -Jon <br clear="none">>> +44 7792 149029 <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 at 22:15, Todd Vernon via rescue < <a shape="rect" href="mailto:rescue@sunhelp.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">rescue@sunhelp.org</a> > wrote: <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Thanks for the reply. Yeah, the boot -v the only reason I know the last thing that prints out is "using default device instance data”. If you don’t use the -v you don’t see that message. <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> I’ve done it with drag-switch true and false. I’ve watched the serial port for any other messages as well. <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> -t <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Todd Vernon <br clear="none">>> Entrepreneur | Investor <br clear="none">>> Email: <a shape="rect" href="mailto:todd@toddvernon.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">todd@toddvernon.com</a> <br clear="none">>> LinkedIn: toddvernon <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> On Apr 5, 2024 at 2:59:02 PM, Johan van Zanten < <a shape="rect" href="mailto:johanvz978@giantfoo.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">johanvz978@giantfoo.org</a> > wrote:<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Hello, <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Back in the chain of replies, i think someone asked if you'd "booted the <br clear="none">>> machine with the diag-switch" but i didn't see a reply. <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> That's explained a bit on page number 37 "Controlling Power-on Self-test" <br clear="none">>> of this: <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19457-01/801-7042/801-7042.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19457-01/801-7042/801-7042.pdf</a> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> (Which counting from the start of the PDF is the 57th page.) <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> "boot -v" might also reveal some more details around where it's hanging? <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> best, johan <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Todd Vernon via rescue < <a shape="rect" href="mailto:rescue@sunhelp.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">rescue@sunhelp.org</a> > wrote: <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> The CD that im using were burned at home. Same for the NetBSD CD that works<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> fine. The Iso files im using on Zulu have been used many times on my other <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Sun Workstations (all 32bit). Just to check I redownloaded another iso. <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Same thing. It’s 100% repeatable and always at exactly the same point be it <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> 2.7 or 7. Very strange. <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> -t <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Todd Vernon <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Entrepreneur | Investor <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Email: <a shape="rect" href="mailto:todd@toddvernon.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">todd@toddvernon.com</a> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> LinkedIn: toddvernon <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> On Apr 4, 2024 at 11:11:24 AM, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> < <a shape="rect" href="mailto:rescue@sunhelp.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">rescue@sunhelp.org</a> > wrote: <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Are you using a Sun or home burned CD? I have had odd failures like <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> this with a bad burn of an ISO. <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2024, 10:01 Todd Vernon via rescue <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> < <a shape="rect" href="mailto:rescue@sunhelp.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">rescue@sunhelp.org</a> > wrote: <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Agree that NetBSD is ignoring something that Solaris is <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> not. I feel like the last message in the boot before it <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> hangs is a clue, <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> "using default device instance data†<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Im not exactly sure what that means so I reset the IDProm <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> and reprogrammed it using 80 as the machine type but no <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> luck. Im not even completely sure that “default device <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> instance data†is what is stored in there but some google <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> searches seem to be tied to that.  <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> NetBSD boot seems completely normal with no warnings or <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> messages I would not expect.  <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> I’ve moved all the sims around and removed different sets <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> and like clockwork it always hangs at the same place so im <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> pretty sure its not a memory issue. <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Im down to just the CDROM drive or just the Zulu to take <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> everything else off the SCSI bus. It’s a head <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> scratcher. <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Thanks for the reply! <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> -t <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Todd Vernon <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Entrepreneur | Investor <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Email: <a shape="rect" href="mailto:todd@toddvernon.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">todd@toddvernon.com</a> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> LinkedIn: toddvernon <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> On Apr 3, 2024 at 11:03:25 PM, vom513 via rescue <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> < <a shape="rect" href="mailto:rescue@sunhelp.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">rescue@sunhelp.org</a> > wrote: <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Apologies for asking the likely obvious - have <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> you booted this machine with diag-switch and let <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> it run through the tests ? <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Since you have tried real CDs as well as ZuluSCSI <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> virtual, it sounds like perhaps something that <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Solaris is “touching†that NetBSD is not ? <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Have you actually tried to follow all the way <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> through and install/run NetBSD ? <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> I guess a hail mary would be to start removing <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> hardware and components one by one and try a <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Solaris boot after each step. <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Sorry for the obvious things, just wanted to <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> reply with what I would try.  <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Please do let us know if you make progress or <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> figure out the root cause. <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> _______________________________________________ <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> rescue list - <a shape="rect" href="http://sunhelp.org/mailman/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://sunhelp.org/mailman/</a> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> listinfo/ rescue_sunhelp.org <div class="ydpd2acdb6ayqt2304057873" id="ydpd2acdb6ayqtfd58846"><br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> _______________________________________________ <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> rescue list - <a shape="rect" href="http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/</a> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> rescue_sunhelp.org <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> _______________________________________________ <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> rescue list - <a shape="rect" href="http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org</a> <br clear="none">>> _______________________________________________ <br clear="none">>> rescue list - <a shape="rect" href="http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org</a> <br clear="none">>> _______________________________________________ <br clear="none">>> rescue list - <a shape="rect" href="http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org</a> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">>> rescue list - <a shape="rect" href="http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org</a><br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">>> rescue list - <a shape="rect" href="http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org</a><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> rescue list - <a shape="rect" href="http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">rescue list - <a shape="rect" href="http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org</a><br clear="none"></div></div></div>
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