<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="auto">It's worth pointing out that Microsoft notified all OEMs in January 2016 that from April 2016 onwards (ie 2 years after the TPM 2.0 spec was published), computers would only be able to be shipped with Windows preinstalled if they were TPM-2 capable, although for a couple of years OEMs would be allowed to have it default to disabled in BIOS (but that in all cases it *must* remain enable-able in the BIOS menus).<br><br>As always with OEMs, many flouted their contract with Microsoft regarding this. At least *some* of the TPM-requirements-anger should be directed at them. Admittedly, MS might have jumped slightly early, but they had been warning OEMs several times during 2015.<br><br>- Mike<br><br></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto">On 25 December 2024 22:10:22 GMT, Lionel Peterson via rescue <rescue@sunhelp.org> wrote:</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Theoretically, loosening the TPM standard will loosen security.<div><br></div><div>Apple drops hardware support at about the same pace as Microsoft, I don't see why this is such a hot bed issue for MS users.</div><div><br></div><div>macOS support drops after 3 years:</div><div><br></div><div> <a href="https://endoflife.date/macos">https://endoflife.date/macos</a></div><div><br></div><div>Apple retires hardware after 5 to 7 years, more aggressive than Microsoft with Windows hardware support, I think.</div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr">Ken</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Dec 25, 2024, at 14:34, Alexander Jacocks via rescue <rescue@sunhelp.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">They have been down that road before. They will have to choose between being blamed for security problems in out-of-date Windows 11, or loosening their restrictions.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">- Alex</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Dec 19, 2024, at 1:04 PM, Mike Spooner via rescue <rescue@sunhelp.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style>@font-face { font-family: "Cambria Math"; }
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Indeed, although Microsoft have stated quite explicitly that after the 24H2 release, systems without TPM 2.x will no longer be able to install the semi-annual/annual updates for Windows 11.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Time will tell.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif">Mike Spooner<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> rescue-bounces@sunhelp.org <rescue-bounces@sunhelp.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott Quinn via rescue<br><b>Sent:</b> 19 December 2024 14:41<br><b>To:</b> rescue@sunhelp.org<br><b>Cc:</b> Scott Quinn <saquinn624@aol.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [rescue] off-topic but advice needed for the involuntary hardware upgrade for Win 11?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Lionel Peterson wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"<span style="letter-spacing:-.25pt">Microsoft had condoned certain workarounds for Win11 system checks, but they have recently indicated that those workarounds will not be included/supported/tolerated in future updates of Win11."</span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;letter-spacing:-.25pt"><br><br></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;letter-spacing:-.25pt">I've been looking at these and they seem to read "we're not going to go out of our way to make it work, but it might, but we aren't going to guarantee it so don't yell at us if it doesn't work and definitely don't write your congresspeople about how awful we are and get us in a big investigation because we told you that it isn't guaranteed to work in words calculated to show you the worst possible scenario"</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;letter-spacing:-.25pt"><br><br></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;letter-spacing:-.25pt">FWIW I have two 4th-gen Intel Core boxes running Windows 11 and it seems to work OK and does update. Drivers required a bit of jiggling. My Mac Pro 2010 also is happily running MacOS 15.2. YMMV.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org</span><br></div></blockquote><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org</span><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></body></html>