[Sunhelp] ultra 30 vs. ultra 10

Wed Aug 23 11:43:10 CDT 2000

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	So the U60's are the way to go after sbus architecture?
Are all U60 configs in the high (<10,000) range?

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Magnus Abrante [SMTP:magnus.abrante at sweden.sun.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:22 PM
> To:	sunhelp at sunhelp.org
> Subject:	Re: [Sunhelp] ultra 30 vs. ultra 10
> 
> 
> Quite much actually, the U30 was the first of the machines in the
> "Darwin" series, and i think its EOL now, replaced by the U60 
> machine.
> 
> Basicly, the U30 uses the same CPU as the UE250, UE450, U60 etc. 
> 
> The main difference between the CPU used in the U10 and the CPU in the U30
> 
> is the fact that the UltraSPARC IIi CPU used in U5/U10 deals with PCI and 
> such internaly, whereas the UltraSPARC II CPU used in the other machines 
> deals with this in a special chip. Then there are probably more
> differences 
> as well, but i cant really remember them right now ;).
> 
> Appart from the CPU the U30 differs from U5/U10 in a number of ways:
> * The U30 has a SCSI interface instead of IDE
> * There are more memorybanks in the U30
> * The U30 has 2 UPA slot and the U10 has 1
> 
> Then again i think the U30 should be compared with the U60 and not the
> U5/U10.
> 
> Regards,
> 
>         //Magnus Abrante
> /* This is my opinion and not the one of my empolyer */
> 
> > 1,000 us dollars?
> > What's the big difference between Ultra 10's,30's and 60's?
> > The computer I have here is a Ultra 60 on loan and said it was around
> 16,000
> > USD.
> > All I want is a faster processor....
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Bill Bradford [SMTP:mrbill at mrbill.net]
> > > Sent:	Wednesday, August 23, 2000 4:15 AM
> > > To:	sunhelp at sunhelp.org
> > > Subject:	[Sunhelp] ultra 30 vs. ultra 10
> > > 
> > > Okay, if you had a choice between:
> > > 
> > > Ultra 30, 300mhz, 384mb, C3D, 4gig (all-scsi)
> > > 
> > > and 
> > > 
> > > Ultra 10, 300mhz, 384mb, PGX8, C2D, 4gig (all-scsi)
> > > 
> > > Which would you choose?  and why?
> > > 
> > > I've got an angle on some U30s for just over $1k in the
> > > config above, and am thinking of possibly trying to sell
> > > this U10 for that much, if changing systems is worth it.
> > > 
> > > Bill
> > > 
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<P>        <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">So the U60's are the way to go after sbus =
architecture?<BR>
Are all U60 configs in the high (<10,000) range?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">From:  </FONT></B> <FONT =
SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Magnus Abrante =
[SMTP:magnus.abrante at sweden.sun.com]</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Sent:  </FONT></B> <FONT =
SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:22 PM</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Quite much actually, the U30 was the =
first of the machines in the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">"Darwin" series, and i =
think its EOL now, replaced by the U60 </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">machine.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Basicly, the U30 uses the same CPU as =
the UE250, UE450, U60 etc. </FONT>
</P>

The main difference between the CPU =
used in the U10 and the CPU in the U30 
 is the fact that the UltraSPARC IIi =
CPU used in U5/U10 deals with PCI and 
 such internaly, whereas the =
UltraSPARC II CPU used in the other machines 
 deals with this in a special chip. =
Then there are probably more differences 
 as well, but i cant really remember =
them right now ;).

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Appart from the CPU the U30 differs =
from U5/U10 in a number of ways:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">* The U30 has a SCSI interface =
instead of IDE</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">* There are more memorybanks in the =
U30</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">* The U30 has 2 UPA slot and the U10 =
has 1</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Then again i think the U30 should be =
compared with the U60 and not the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">U5/U10.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Regards,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">        //Magnus =
Abrante</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">/* This is my opinion and not the one =
of my empolyer */</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> 1,000 us dollars?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> What's the big difference =
between Ultra 10's,30's and 60's?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> The computer I have here is a =
Ultra 60 on loan and said it was around 16,000</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> USD.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> All I want is a faster =
processor....</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > -----Original =
Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > =
From:       Bill Bradford =
[SMTP:mrbill at mrbill.net]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > =
Sent:       Wednesday, August 23, 2000 =
4:15 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > To: =
sunhelp at sunhelp.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > Subject:    =
[Sunhelp] ultra 30 vs. ultra 10</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > Okay, if you had a choice =
between:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > Ultra 30, 300mhz, 384mb, =
C3D, 4gig (all-scsi)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > and </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > Ultra 10, 300mhz, 384mb, =
PGX8, C2D, 4gig (all-scsi)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > Which would you =
choose?  and why?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > I've got an angle on some =
U30s for just over $1k in the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > config above, and am =
thinking of possibly trying to sell</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > this U10 for that much, if =
changing systems is worth it.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > Bill</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > -- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > +-------------------\ =
/-----------------+</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > | Bill =
Bradford      |  www.sunhelp.org |</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > | mrbill at mrbill.net  =
|   www.decvax.org |</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > | Austin, Texas USA  =
|    www.pdp11.org |</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > +-------------------/ =
\-----------------+</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > =
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