[geeks] Re: Political philosophy (long) was RE: [rescue] MipsPro Compilers

[ed at the7thbeer.com]

What amazes me is that all of that which was said, at length is covered in
any undergraduate political science major's coursework at one point in
time or another.  

To summarize :  Man, the State and Nature.  Or, perhaps
more aptly applied to this thread, Man vs. the State vs. Nature.  The
"inherent" rights are our natural rights, but there arguably are no
limitations to them, as the "life of Man in Nature is by necessity short
[and] brutish...", which requires all means and acts to survive over your
competitors.  In Nature predation of the weak is the norm.  When
government is ineffective at preventing said predation, the government
slowly or quickly ceases to exist(Maimonides, et al.) and the state of
Nature returns to control.  Marxism relies on the notion of egalitarian
directive, wherein the leader is the true equal of the led, nothing more
and nothing less.  In practice that is never so.  So by definition of
government as preventing predation, Marxism could never be a means of
government.  It cannot, by inherent fallacies in its own logic, prevent
that which a government must prevent.  It either fails to be a government,
or fails to be Marxism(as a government).  

Of course that argument can be abused to defame any form of government, so
it is far from the strongest.  

-Ed


> Alright, so I've spent a lot of time talking about rights, but what about
> responsibilities?
> 
> I don't have to mention that word very often, because everything that I have
> talked about above is inherently a responsibility of each society, and each
> individual or entity, whether a member of a society or not. Our purpose as
> individuals on this rock is not simply to live and to die. If our lives are
> to have any meaning at all our purpose must be to elevate ourselves as
> individuals, and our society. To make things better for our children and our
> proceeding generations then they were for us, or for preceding generations.
> If we have not done this, if we do not do this, we have failed in our
> greatest mission.
> 
> Chris Byrne
> 
> Moving over to geeks
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On
> > Behalf Of Guy Yasko
> > Sent: 29 April 2002 14:04
> > To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> > Cc: gyasko at nefastis.mrbill.net
> > Subject: Re: [rescue] MipsPro Compilers
> >
> >
> > >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Byrne <chris at chrisbyrne.com> writes: