[rescue] Disposable electronics is unsustainable - Re: rescue Digest, Vol 135, Issue 8

[Rjtoegel]

You are being nice.  More like 1 in 100 at least.  BTW, I've been soldering
since high school and kids are amazed when I solder something at school.

Bob

On Feb 13, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Nick B <nick at pelagiris.org> wrote:

> Either your idea of "average" people is very different from mine, or you've
> never done tech support...
> I'm not sure I'd trust 1 in 10 people to solder, much less solder on a
> modern multi-layer mostly-SMD board.
> Nick
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:07 PM, hike <mh1272 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The skill set required to successfully repair the failed caps is limited
to
>> a small set of people these days.  Once, the average person could do this
>> but not today.  I took electronics technology in high school but it was
not
>> a practical course like tv/radio/stereo repair courses.  I never learned
to
>> solder since I didnb t play with these things.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Lionel Peterson <lionel4287 at gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, the 'living wage' of the person that will replace that 18 cent
>>> resistor or $2 handful of caps. I don't mean that as an attack on living
>>> wages per se, but that is the barrier. If those handful of failed parts
>>> were user-replaceable that would be one thing (think tube TVs and tube
>>> testers in local stores), but that is not the case.
>>>
>>> Lionel
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 13, 2014, Toby Thain <toby at telegraphics.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 13/02/14 2:09 AM, Mouse wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The cost of repair for a small business is more than the cost of a
>>>>>>>> new LCD monitor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's completely dysfunctional and we should work to change it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> By making new ones more expensive, or making repairs cheaper?  In
>>>>> either case, how?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Both.
>>>>
>>>> A $100 (probably not a sustainable price, given that it's full of
>>>> nonrenewables) screen that is held hostage by an 18c resistor (in one
>>> case
>>>> of a 24" Samsung that probably cost $400+) or $2 worth of caps ... does
>>>> anyone see a problem here?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It might not even be true.  Peter just said he fixed a bunch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes...at what cost?  I'm four for four, I think it is, at fixing LCD
>>>>> flatscreens by re-capping. ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the current state is unsustainable in various ways.  But I have
>>>>> trouble seeing any way it's likely to change short of actually running
>>>>> into its unsustainability. ...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's assured.
>>>>
>>>> Human nature's great, eh.
>>>>
>>>> --T
>>>>
>>>>
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