[rescue] The Soul of that old Machine

[Clem Cole]

Hmm. Not sure what you are arguing about.  You just described a traditional
definition of a fork.  Btw. Ibm very aware of the history having lived a
bit of it.   I also was part of a later fork from DEC, Masscomp a few years
later.

But you can use whatever terms you like.  The point I was making was that
the original DG folks were exDEC folks and the look and feel of much of the
SW was similar to what had been done at DEC by the same people.  Which was
the question was.  The OP asked what it was like and I said because it was
many of the same folks the operated similarly and if you were used to SW
from the PDP-12, 10, 11 or the Vax, youbll have a easy learning curve.

FWIW I have a number of friends from both firms.  I donbt know of a one of
them that I think is offended by my term. FWIW we used to have what someone
once referred to as the Hatfield / McCoy parties.  There were a number
folks whobs SO/GF/BF/spouse worked at the other firm (including me at one
time).

If I offended you with my term I apologize but I lived a bunch of that
history and described as we knew it.

On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 7:56 PM Mike Katz <bitwiz at 12bitsbest.com> wrote:

>
> I beg to differ.  Data General was not a "fork" from Digital Equipment
> Corporation but rather started by a group of engineers who were working on
> a 16 bit replacement for the PDP-8 and left DEC and formed Data General
> when the project, code named PDP-X, was cancelled.
>
> To quote wikipedia: "This prompted several of the engineers from the PDP-X
> program to leave DEC and form Data General
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_General>. The next year they
> introduced the 16-bit Data General Nova
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_General_Nova>.[6]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-11#cite_note-6> The Nova was a major
> success, selling tens of thousands of units and launching what would become
> one of DEC's major competitors through the 1970s and 1980s"
>
> Data general sold nearly 100,000 16 bit computers whereas DEC sold nearly
> 600,000 PDP-11's.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 9:26 AM Jonathan Patschke <jp at celestrion.net>
<jp at celestrion.net> wrote:
>
>
> What are good resources to get started in emulating an Eclipse or Eclipse
> MV?
>
> simh can simulate the Nova and Eclipse although I have personally never
> tried.
>
>
>
>   What were the typical operating systems like?
>
> Pretty standard for the day.   If you were used to DOS-8, TSS-8, TOPS-10,
> VMS or like; you can learn any of them. A lot of the same people involved
> in both systems.  Remember, DG was originally a fork from DEC.
>
>
>
>
> Are there reasonably accessible setups
>
>
> I believe bit savers has a number of the docs and binaries.  Internet
> search is your friend. If you don't find a step-by-step, take notes and
> create one like the one that exist for Unix on the PDP-11 and the like.
>
> Have fun.
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