[rescue] Recommended 13w3 to VGA adapter
Ethan Hawke
ehawk at ember.systems
Mon Aug 1 11:00:53 EDT 2022
I concur,
I have a Monoprice passive adapter that works fine.
The two monitors I have tested it on it worked fine, both 1080p
monitors, one a Phillips from ~2011 and another an AOC from ~2014.
And that's both a cg3, cg6 and ffb
Cheers,
Ethan
On 8/2/22 00:56, Chase Rayfield wrote:
> In my experience the cheap ones that just go straight from 13W3 are
> generally sun compatible... the ones with a cable on them that don't
> say Sun are usually not (they'll often say SGI on them and often are
> not compatible I have one that was made this way and it definitely
> doesn't work with Suns).
>
> Apart from that it is definitely as has already been said, the monitor
> has to be able to sync to whatever the PC is putting out. I have NEC
> Multisync 2100UXP-bk that works at 1600x1200 21in, and I have a 19in
> syncmaster that also works. Mostly older VGA/DVI-D only LCDs are more
> likely to work than more recent ones as they were designed to emulate
> CRTs.
>
> Chase
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> 4. Re: Recommended 13w3 to VGA adapter (Lionel Peterson)
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> Hi All,
>
> What is the Recommended 13w3 adapter to VGA adapter these days to use with
> an LCD monitor these days?
>
> and I got a few LCD monitors around both in 4:3 and 16:9, which is
> gonna be
> better for interfacing to an SS5/SS20?
>
> -Thomas
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> From: Lionel Peterson <lionel4287 at gmail.com>
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> No advice on adapter, I think LCD/Sun Workstation 13w3 connections are
> hit/miss.
>
> It might help others if they knew CC what framebuffer you were using
> in your SS/5 or SS/20 - there were quite a few options for those systems
>
> Ken
>
> > On Jul 31, 2022, at 18:05, Thomas Pelki
> <thomas.pelki.1969 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Hi All,
> >
> > What is the Recommended 13w3 adapter to VGA adapter these days to
> use with an LCD monitor these days?
> >
> > and I got a few LCD monitors around both in 4:3 and 16:9, which is
> gonna be better for interfacing to an SS5/SS20?
> >
> > -Thomas
> > _______________________________________________
> > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org
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> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 19:42:40 -0700
> From: Thomas Pelki <thomas.pelki.1969 at gmail.com>
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> I'm not sure what frame buffer I will be getting with the SS5/20 yet.
>
> -Thomas
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 5:25 PM Lionel Peterson <lionel4287 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > No advice on adapter, I think LCD/Sun Workstation 13w3 connections are
> > hit/miss.
> >
> > It might help others if they knew CC what framebuffer you were using in
> > your SS/5 or SS/20 - there were quite a few options for those systems
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > > On Jul 31, 2022, at 18:05, Thomas Pelki <thomas.pelki.1969 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ?
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > What is the Recommended 13w3 adapter to VGA adapter these days to use
> > with an LCD monitor these days?
> > >
> > > and I got a few LCD monitors around both in 4:3 and 16:9, which is
> gonna
> > be better for interfacing to an SS5/SS20?
> > >
> > > -Thomas
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org
> >
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> It could make a difference, it's not my area of expertise.
>
> Ken
>
> > On Jul 31, 2022, at 21:44, Thomas Pelki
> <thomas.pelki.1969 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > I'm not sure what frame buffer I will be getting with the SS5/20 yet.
> >
> > -Thomas
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 5:25 PM Lionel Peterson
> <lionel4287 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> No advice on adapter, I think LCD/Sun Workstation 13w3 connections
> are hit/miss.
> >>
> >> It might help others if they knew CC what framebuffer you were
> using in your SS/5 or SS/20 - there were quite a few options for those
> systems
> >>
> >> Ken
> >>
> >> > On Jul 31, 2022, at 18:05, Thomas Pelki
> <thomas.pelki.1969 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > ?
> >> > Hi All,
> >> >
> >> > What is the Recommended 13w3 adapter to VGA adapter these days to
> use with an LCD monitor these days?
> >> >
> >> > and I got a few LCD monitors around both in 4:3 and 16:9, which
> is gonna be better for interfacing to an SS5/SS20?
> >> >
> >> > -Thomas
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org
> >>
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> >> What is the Recommended 13w3 adapter to VGA adapter these days to
> use with $
>
> I don't know. My own experience is that the adapter makes little
> difference (the framebuffer and the monitor matter more), but I haven't
> tried very many. I've always thought of the adapter as a completely
> passive device, so it "shouldn't matter".
>
> >> and I got a few LCD monitors around both in 4:3 and 16:9, which is
> gonna be$
>
> The one that works. :-/ It's hard to say much more without trying
> them.
>
> Part of the problem is a change of design philosophy.
>
> Back in the '80s and much of the '90s, back in the heyday of CRT
> monitors, the computer generated the video signal and the monitor was
> expected to handle it, or, if it couldn't, to at least fail gracefully.
>
> But then there was a pardigm change. My impression has always been
> that it happened with the shift to flatscreens, but I don't know
> whether that's accurate, though it did happen at roughly the same time.
>
> In the new paradigm, the _monitor_ specifies what the video signal is
> to look like (via DDC or EDID or whatever it's properly called) and the
> _host_ is expected to adapt.
>
> An old monitor on a new system, then, leaves the computer wondering
> what it should generate, but if it picks something there at least is a
> reasonable chance it will work.
>
> But a new monitor on an old system - such as a flatscreen on a
> SPARCstation from the 32-bit pizza-box era - is a disaster. Each end
> thinks it is the end who is supposed to specify what the video signal
> looks like. I've been frustrated trying to get the cg14s in my SS20s
> to drive 1920x1080 monitors. I've succeeded for two monitors
>
> : Asus-VH236H 780 438 3c 8d9ee20 5e 0f 5e 0f 5e 0f ;
> : LG-27EA33V 780 438 3c 80befc0 c0 3 130 2e 40 1 ;
>
> but completely failed with a third. (Those are the mode-setting words
> I've found worked for me for cg14s with those two makes-&-models of
> monitors. I don't recall the make-&-model of the monitor I failed
> with.)
>
> This is where the video hardware becomes relevant. Some framebuffers
> from Suns of that era have relatively limited ability to adapt the
> signals they generate. Some have only a handful of different dot-clock
> frequencies available, for example; the cg14 apparently can't handle X
> resolutions that aren't multiples of 32 pixels, as another example.
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