[rescue] Ultra 1 boot from install CD fails

Michael Dombrowski ab1244 at yahoo.com
Fri Apr 5 20:19:25 EDT 2024 

 I can't remember which machine, but I did have some strange behavior that seemed to resolve when I added a new battery to the IDPROM chip. If you haven't done one, it is easier than it looks. You have to just determine the correct side, then I use a burr bit on a dremel and solder on a coin cell holder which I then hotglue to the top of the IDPROM chip. I've done a couple in the past few months and it takes me ~5min to add a battery now.
mike

    On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 06:45:55 PM CDT, Todd Vernon via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:  
 
 Yeah, I stopped burning the CD’s as I got exactly the same situation with both images on the Zulu and actual CD’s.  It something about that “default device instance data” but I can’t really even find any description of what that ACTUALLY even means.  All the references I found were related to IDPROM so wiped it and reprogrammed it but with no luck.  Im kind of thinking about getting a new chip (or an old one and attaching a battery) and starting from there.  Perhaps NetBSD ignores all that and there is something whack about the one I have.


> On Apr 5, 2024, at 5:38 PM, Michael Dombrowski via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
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> I can't speak to Todd's exact situation, but I exclusively use ZuluSCSI with a host of retro machines (including ultra 1e) and have had 100% success rate. That doesn't rule out a bad iso or two, but I am doubtful a different burn will solve this problem
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>> On Apr 5, 2024, at 6:24 PM, Patrick Giagnocavo via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
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>> As dumb as it sounds, I have actually burned CD's at single or double speed only, not allowing the OS to go faster, and then had the CDR I burned work.  
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>> If you have enough CDRs you could try that!
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>> Cordially
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>> From: "Todd Vernon via rescue" <rescue at sunhelp.org>
>> To: "The Rescue List" <rescue at sunhelp.org>
>> Cc: "Todd Vernon" <todd at toddvernon.com>
>> Sent: Friday, April 5, 2024 4:37:57 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>> Subject: Re: [rescue] Ultra 1 boot from install CD fails
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>> Same result. It sounded like such a promising idea too! Thx for the suggestion. 
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>> Todd Vernon 
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>> On Apr 5, 2024 at 3:20 PM -0600, Jonathan Katz via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org>, wrote: 
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>> Wondering if you need a “boot -vr” since it’s not rebuilding the device tree? 
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>> On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 at 22:15, Todd Vernon via rescue < rescue at sunhelp.org > wrote: 
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>> Thanks for the reply. Yeah, the boot -v the only reason I know the last thing that prints out is "using default device instance data”. If you don’t use the -v you don’t see that message. 
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>> I’ve done it with drag-switch true and false. I’ve watched the serial port for any other messages as well. 
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>> On Apr 5, 2024 at 2:59:02 PM, Johan van Zanten < johanvz978 at giantfoo.org > wrote:
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>> Hello, 
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>> Back in the chain of replies, i think someone asked if you'd "booted the 
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>> That's explained a bit on page number 37 "Controlling Power-on Self-test" 
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>> https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19457-01/801-7042/801-7042.pdf 
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>> (Which counting from the start of the PDF is the 57th page.) 
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>> "boot -v" might also reveal some more details around where it's hanging? 
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>> best, johan 
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>> Todd Vernon via rescue < rescue at sunhelp.org > wrote: 
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>> The CD that im using were burned at home. Same for the NetBSD CD that works
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>> fine. The Iso files im using on Zulu have been used many times on my other 
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>> Sun Workstations (all 32bit). Just to check I redownloaded another iso. 
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>> Same thing. It’s 100% repeatable and always at exactly the same point be it 
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>> On Apr 4, 2024 at 11:11:24 AM, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue 
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>> Are you using a Sun or home burned CD? I have had odd failures like 
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>> this with a bad burn of an ISO. 
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>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2024, 10:01 Todd Vernon via rescue 
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>> Agree that NetBSD is ignoring something that Solaris is 
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>> not. I feel like the last message in the boot before it 
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>> "using default device instance data†
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>> Im not exactly sure what that means so I reset the IDProm 
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>> and reprogrammed it using 80 as the machine type but no 
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>> luck. Im not even completely sure that “default device 
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>> instance data†is what is stored in there but some google 
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>> NetBSD boot seems completely normal with no warnings or 
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>> I’ve moved all the sims around and removed different sets 
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>> and like clockwork it always hangs at the same place so im 
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>> pretty sure its not a memory issue. 
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>> Im down to just the CDROM drive or just the Zulu to take 
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>> everything else off the SCSI bus. It’s a head 
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>> Thanks for the reply! 
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>> On Apr 3, 2024 at 11:03:25 PM, vom513 via rescue 
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>> Apologies for asking the likely obvious - have 
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>> you booted this machine with diag-switch and let 
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>> Since you have tried real CDs as well as ZuluSCSI 
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>> I guess a hail mary would be to start removing 
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>> Please do let us know if you make progress or 
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>> figure out the root cause. 
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