[rescue] Ultra 1 boot from install CD fails

[Todd Vernon]

I have Mike and agree it’s probably the next thing to try.  I have a store of the various models.  I think I want to start with a new, old one!  As I recall some chips were “almost compatible” and that might be my issue here.  Thx for the comment.

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Todd Vernon
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On Apr 5, 2024 at 6:19 PM -0600, Michael Dombrowski <ab1244 at yahoo.com>, wrote:
> I can't remember which machine, but I did have some strange behavior that seemed to resolve when I added a new battery to the IDPROM chip. If you haven't done one, it is easier than it looks. You have to just determine the correct side, then I use a burr bit on a dremel and solder on a coin cell holder which I then hotglue to the top of the IDPROM chip. I've done a couple in the past few months and it takes me ~5min to add a battery now.
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> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 06:45:55 PM CDT, Todd Vernon via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
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> Yeah, I stopped burning the CD’s as I got exactly the same situation with both images on the Zulu and actual CD’s.  It something about that “default device instance data” but I can’t really even find any description of what that ACTUALLY even means.  All the references I found were related to IDPROM so wiped it and reprogrammed it but with no luck.  Im kind of thinking about getting a new chip (or an old one and attaching a battery) and starting from there.  Perhaps NetBSD ignores all that and there is something whack about the one I have.
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> > On Apr 5, 2024, at 5:38 PM, Michael Dombrowski via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
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> > I can't speak to Todd's exact situation, but I exclusively use ZuluSCSI with a host of retro machines (including ultra 1e) and have had 100% success rate. That doesn't rule out a bad iso or two, but I am doubtful a different burn will solve this problem
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> >> On Apr 5, 2024, at 6:24 PM, Patrick Giagnocavo via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
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> >> As dumb as it sounds, I have actually burned CD's at single or double speed only, not allowing the OS to go faster, and then had the CDR I burned work.
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> >> If you have enough CDRs you could try that!
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> >> Cordially
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> >> Patrick
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> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Todd Vernon via rescue" <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> >> To: "The Rescue List" <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> >> Cc: "Todd Vernon" <todd at toddvernon.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, April 5, 2024 4:37:57 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> >> Subject: Re: [rescue] Ultra 1 boot from install CD fails
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> >> Same result. It sounded like such a promising idea too! Thx for the suggestion.
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> >> Todd Vernon
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> >> On Apr 5, 2024 at 3:20 PM -0600, Jonathan Katz via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org>, wrote:
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> >> Wondering if you need a “boot -vr” since it’s not rebuilding the device tree?
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> >> -Jon
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> >> On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 at 22:15, Todd Vernon via rescue < rescue at sunhelp.org > wrote:
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> >> Thanks for the reply. Yeah, the boot -v the only reason I know the last thing that prints out is "using default device instance data”. If you don’t use the -v you don’t see that message.
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> >> I’ve done it with drag-switch true and false. I’ve watched the serial port for any other messages as well.
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> >> Todd Vernon
> >> Entrepreneur | Investor
> >> Email: todd at toddvernon.com
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> >> On Apr 5, 2024 at 2:59:02 PM, Johan van Zanten < johanvz978 at giantfoo.org > wrote:
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> >> Hello,
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> >> Back in the chain of replies, i think someone asked if you'd "booted the
> >> machine with the diag-switch" but i didn't see a reply.
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> >> That's explained a bit on page number 37 "Controlling Power-on Self-test"
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> >> https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19457-01/801-7042/801-7042.pdf
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> >> (Which counting from the start of the PDF is the 57th page.)
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> >> "boot -v" might also reveal some more details around where it's hanging?
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> >> best, johan
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> >> Todd Vernon via rescue < rescue at sunhelp.org > wrote:
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> >> The CD that im using were burned at home. Same for the NetBSD CD that works
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> >> fine. The Iso files im using on Zulu have been used many times on my other
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> >> Sun Workstations (all 32bit). Just to check I redownloaded another iso.Â
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> >> Same thing. It’s 100% repeatable and always at exactly the same point be it
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> >> 2.7 or 7. Very strange.
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> >> Todd Vernon
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> >> On Apr 4, 2024 at 11:11:24 AM, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue
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> >> Are you using a Sun or home burned CD? I have had odd failures like
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> >> this with a bad burn of an ISO.
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> >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2024, 10:01 Todd Vernon via rescue
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> >> Agree that NetBSD is ignoring something that Solaris is
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> >> not. I feel like the last message in the boot before it
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> >> "using default device instance dataâ€
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> >> Im not exactly sure what that means so I reset the IDProm
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> >> and reprogrammed it using 80 as the machine type but no
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> >> I’ve moved all the sims around and removed different sets
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> >> and like clockwork it always hangs at the same place so im
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> >> pretty sure its not a memory issue.
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> >> Im down to just the CDROM drive or just the Zulu to take
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> >> everything else off the SCSI bus. It’s a head
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> >> Thanks for the reply!
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> >> Todd Vernon
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> >> On Apr 3, 2024 at 11:03:25 PM, vom513 via rescue
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> >> Apologies for asking the likely obvious - have
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> >> you booted this machine with diag-switch and let
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> >> it run through the tests ?
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> >> Since you have tried real CDs as well as ZuluSCSI
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> >> virtual, it sounds like perhaps something that
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> >> Solaris is “touching†that NetBSD is not ?
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> >> Have you actually tried to follow all the way
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> >> I guess a hail mary would be to start removing
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> >> hardware and components one by one and try a
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> >> Solaris boot after each step.
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> >> Sorry for the obvious things, just wanted to
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> >> Please do let us know if you make progress or
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> >> figure out the root cause.
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